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For the last few days I've been contemplating on what CBR300 I need to get. I know I want the 300f because of the riding position because of the upright handlebars, but it doesn't come with ABS. Now the 300R has ABS, but with a lean forward riding position, which I never rode like that before, but I will feel much safer with ABS. Would you get the ABS If you have that option, and how important is it on a bike? Hopefully you can chime in, I'm getting my bike today, thanks.
 

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I have an R but I don't have ABS........I can tell you that the riding position on the R is quite a bit more straight up than you would think. At 5'9 I find its very comfortable . Just my 2 cents.
 

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I have an R but I don't have ABS........I can tell you that the riding position on the R is quite a bit more straight up than you would think. At 5'9 I find its very comfortable . Just my 2 cents.
Being just an inch taller, i have experience the same thing when I had my first and second try.
 

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Thanks guys, good read on the ABS link as well. I'm also 5'9" and was at the dealership again today and yes the R model is comfortable for me as well. Im still contemplating on the ABS portion of my decision, so I went home without a bike, and yes, very sad. I'll sleep on it and hopefully make a decision very soon.
 

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test ride is the go of course,, but otherwise road test/reviews by competent
motorcyclists/journos are also input from reality to your overall understanding..
as for ergonomics tho its easy to sit on different motorcycles/get the feel of
and measure them to your own body shape and sizes..

slight forward leaning is better imo in terms of potential movements
and ability to rest forward thru shoulders into elbows/wrists whenever
you like,, which is/can be part of typical set up for and cornering etc..
slight lean forward also tends to bring upper body/torso together with
hips and legs [via 'core' muscles, psoas etc] which is 'better'..
slight lean forward also helps aerodynamics, which starts to tell
after time and at any real speed,, compared to 'being a sail'
attracting wind pressure into front of body, pulling on shoulders
and arms.. minor things, especially if only riding slowly/short distances..

cbr300r isnt extreme in forward leaning, with clip-on bars raised
to more or less flat bar height.. for my ergos installed yoshi rearset brackets
to move pegs upwards, and rearwards.. at 5'7" this results in a comfortable
position for general riding.. ie, provides more, forward movement etc..

on abs choice tho, abs will become required brake technology from 2016
due to eu law, which manufacturers will respect in what they sell..
so as there is a potential, benefit in some specific conditions/situations
with abs, which has been and will continue to be demonstrated,
abs will become the basic standard for braking systems..
one point there being a motorcycles value..

300r abs is independent [compared to previous models combined abs]
which is simpler and better in the opinions of some with experience..
ie, front brakes operate independently of each other, according to
riders use of either or both of them..
[notice 300ra has single front brake line, compared to cbr250rs double lines]

riding and braking will be the same for abs and non-abs bikes
up until or if impending wheel lock is sensed thru abs sensors
which then modulate brake application [in microseconds]
similar to response of an experienced racer [without abs]
and in similar lockup situations..
ie, until wheel lockup which may never happen
abs is just there as sort of insurance against wheel lockup..
you pay $500 or so and carry the extra weight..
and its not helpful in dirt, sand, gravel off road..

over patches of sand or gravel etc on typical roads
or oil which does get on the roads from cars dripping it
or spilling it - especially waiting at stop lights -
and over which you may not be aware [esp at night]
even normal braking force could, result in wheel lockup,
to which abs would respond by modulating [pulsing'
brakes off and one [and continuing until grip regained]..

so there is a potential use and benefit with abs..
esp for novices and riders without good braking skills
and esp at night, or in other poor visibility situations..

if you only ever ride over good clean well surfaced roads
and noone spills oil on them or no sand/gravel/dirt/leaves etc
gets onto them, then abs will be a passenger,, waiting..

aside from the extra $ [which resale value does minimise]
and extra weight, which non-racers shouldnt be worried about,
it seems that abs is here to stay, on busses, trucks, cars and now
motorcycles [except initially at least, small capacity bikes]..

if you really feel strongly about not, having abs, or not having abs
forced on you, its unlikely that govts will require retrofitting
of abs to non-abs bikes,, so nows your chance to get non-abs...

i was initially concerned about my cbr250r having no kick starter..
bit she started first touch of the button every time for 3yrs [until stolen]..
bit unsure of fuel injection and no manual petrol valve, but nothing
happened there either.. i see abs similarly.. evolution of braking technology..
similar to going from twin and single leading shoe to disc brakes..

anyway mate, at least you still have the choice..

whatever you choose tho, the most important thing, of all,
is learning how your motorcycle and you as its rider
work,, then practicing everything even the simplest skills,
until they become second nature..
like juggling two or three balls which seems difficult at first,
even after only 10mins practicing,, it becomes easier..

how easy is it to ride up and down on your motorcycle
somewhere quiet, getting to know her, and yourself...
 

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test ride is the go of course,, but otherwise road test/reviews by competent
motorcyclists/journos are also input from reality to your overall understanding..
as for ergonomics tho its easy to sit on different motorcycles/get the feel of
and measure them to your own body shape and sizes..

slight forward leaning is better imo in terms of potential movements
and ability to rest forward thru shoulders into elbows/wrists whenever
you like,, which is/can be part of typical set up for and cornering etc..
slight lean forward also tends to bring upper body/torso together with
hips and legs [via 'core' muscles, psoas etc] which is 'better'..
slight lean forward also helps aerodynamics, which starts to tell
after time and at any real speed,, compared to 'being a sail'
attracting wind pressure into front of body, pulling on shoulders
and arms.. minor things, especially if only riding slowly/short distances..

cbr300r isnt extreme in forward leaning, with clip-on bars raised
to more or less flat bar height.. for my ergos installed yoshi rearset brackets
to move pegs upwards, and rearwards.. at 5'7" this results in a comfortable
position for general riding.. ie, provides more, forward movement etc..

on abs choice tho, abs will become required brake technology from 2016
due to eu law, which manufacturers will respect in what they sell..
so as there is a potential, benefit in some specific conditions/situations
with abs, which has been and will continue to be demonstrated,
abs will become the basic standard for braking systems..
one point there being a motorcycles value..

300r abs is independent [compared to previous models combined abs]
which is simpler and better in the opinions of some with experience..
ie, front brakes operate independently of each other, according to
riders use of either or both of them..
[notice 300ra has single front brake line, compared to cbr250rs double lines]

riding and braking will be the same for abs and non-abs bikes
up until or if impending wheel lock is sensed thru abs sensors
which then modulate brake application [in microseconds]
similar to response of an experienced racer [without abs]
and in similar lockup situations..
ie, until wheel lockup which may never happen
abs is just there as sort of insurance against wheel lockup..
you pay $500 or so and carry the extra weight..
and its not helpful in dirt, sand, gravel off road..

over patches of sand or gravel etc on typical roads
or oil which does get on the roads from cars dripping it
or spilling it - especially waiting at stop lights -
and over which you may not be aware [esp at night]
even normal braking force could, result in wheel lockup,
to which abs would respond by modulating [pulsing'
brakes off and one [and continuing until grip regained]..

so there is a potential use and benefit with abs..
esp for novices and riders without good braking skills
and esp at night, or in other poor visibility situations..

if you only ever ride over good clean well surfaced roads
and noone spills oil on them or no sand/gravel/dirt/leaves etc
gets onto them, then abs will be a passenger,, waiting..

aside from the extra $ [which resale value does minimise]
and extra weight, which non-racers shouldnt be worried about,
it seems that abs is here to stay, on busses, trucks, cars and now
motorcycles [except initially at least, small capacity bikes]..

if you really feel strongly about not, having abs, or not having abs
forced on you, its unlikely that govts will require retrofitting
of abs to non-abs bikes,, so nows your chance to get non-abs...

i was initially concerned about my cbr250r having no kick starter..
bit she started first touch of the button every time for 3yrs [until stolen]..
bit unsure of fuel injection and no manual petrol valve, but nothing
happened there either.. i see abs similarly.. evolution of braking technology..
similar to going from twin and single leading shoe to disc brakes..

anyway mate, at least you still have the choice..

whatever you choose tho, the most important thing, of all,
is learning how your motorcycle and you as its rider
work,, then practicing everything even the simplest skills,
until they become second nature..
like juggling two or three balls which seems difficult at first,
even after only 10mins practicing,, it becomes easier..

how easy is it to ride up and down on your motorcycle
somewhere quiet, getting to know her, and yourself...
Yeah I tesed the R model yesterday and it's just fine for my height 5'9", and for the ABS, I definitely want it. Like you said, whether ABS or not, you still break the same, but if you ever need it, it's there to help out.
 

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mate its rarely yes/no or a one liner
in questions of ergonomics or braking
or cornering or just about anything
to do with riding skills...

even so, its still often necessary to read
between the lines, even in long responses...
 

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I've always opted for the ABS. Just seems like a good move especially if you are a newer rider. I'd rather have the extra safety feature than not.
 

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a lot of things to consider between the two, like what weather are you going to be riding in, any rain? also what style of riding do you think you will be doing higher speed sport riding most of the time or more sedate commuting.

I have seen guys with ABS on a circular transition ramp between two freeways go down at a lower speed 20-30mph the circular ramp must have had either coolant or some kind of lubricant on the road. In this case nothing will save you, add a little rain to that and you are going down.

That said, that kind of thing does not happen very often just stay out of the center of the lane ride up into the top of the lane when in a curve.

The CB300F naked model, if that is the bike you really want, has less plastic to get damaged and if something were to happen, even minor like bike falling over can do a lot of damage $$ you install some Frame sliders to the Naked F Model, and most of the bike would be protected, at least most of the expensive stuff would.

Im with you, i like the naked bike best to, but that is preference.

Non of my bikes have had ABS I have not had any trouble, I try not to ride in the rain or bad weather, but i do get stuck out on a ride and it starts raining, it was pouring down rain when I bought my 09' Vstrom 1000 and rode it home 100 miles from the dealer, nothing happened to me.

Gravel around blind turns, and going to fast, ABS will not help you if you hit that gravel on the wrong, and are going to fast.

Hondas Linked Brake system works pretty well, it was a early kind of ABS, Not that it pulses your brakes like abs, no it does Not do that at all, but it takes the power of applying One brake like the front brake by it self and redistributes the brake force over both brakes,providing more rubber contact to the ground and less brake force on one brake.

My goldwing has 100h.p. 500lbs (5-LBS per HP) Power to weight ratio is less than Half, that of the CB300F (11.6-LBS per HP). With Linked brakes, you come up on a fast turn to hot and hit the linked brakes hard, your front wheel is not going to come out from under you like using the front by it self may in certain situations, and using only the front brake can transfer the weight of the bike in a awkward way when going into a hot corner.
 

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Hmm, I was under the impression that both the F and R models were made available with ABS. I bought the R model kind of on impulse after I saw it at the dealer, but they didn't have any 300f's. After seeing the F model, I kind of wish I had waited and got that instead. If it's any consolation, I don't even know if my 300R has ABS or not.
 

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lyman - abs front wheel has a sensor ring
close to axle.. notched like seconds on a clock..

front guard has 'ABS' vertically near fork leg..

once she's warmed up and you take off,
clear your mind of thoughts, like 'f' or 'r'
and enjoy your honda motorcycle..
 

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I would say if you plan on riding in any wet conditions, get the ABS. I have a dual sport bike with ABS, and it comes in handy. However, I use that bike as my "all rounder," i.e., rain, etc. I only use the CBR on sunny days, and getting to know the limitations of brakes is part of the experience for me and what makes riding a smaller displacement bike fun. If I were depending on the bike as a commuter, I would definitely get the ABS.
 

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I'll have to check the next time I go visit my bike in my storage unit. Soon though, it's almost time to get it back out. As a pretty new rider to motorcycles (many years riding vintage 2-stroke mopeds) I can't really say whether or not I prefer ABS, but I do know that in a car, if I have the option, I will always get a car that does not have ABS or at least has the possibility of disabling it. I think it comes in handy while you're learning and getting to know the vehicle, but if you know how to properly control the thing, the ABS can kind of get in the way. That is however only my opinion, and I do see how having ABS can be a valuable feature for an inexperienced rider, including myself, but I'm also of the opinion that if you learn to do something properly, be it riding a bike or anything else, you won't need the assistance of options like ABS
 

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Hmm, I was under the impression that both the F and R models were made available with ABS. I bought the R model kind of on impulse after I saw it at the dealer, but they didn't have any 300f's. After seeing the F model, I kind of wish I had waited and got that instead. If it's any consolation, I don't even know if my 300R has ABS or not.
Curious to know what kind of deal your dealer would make you for a switch to an F. Worth finding out, perhaps.
 

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The advice I got was a rider who knows what they are doing will stop a bike quicker without abs than with it. Abs on bikes is not as sophisticated as it is on cars. This may change ond day.One experienced rider even blamed the abs for a fall. I opted to go without after my research. At least that way I can only blame myself if I get it wrong.
 

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the Canadian cb300f (in white only) has to have abs,

the cb300f in the US (in red only) does not have abs,

the Canadian bike is $750.00 more that the non abs bike in the US,

for now anyway I said to myself never had a bike yet with abs so currently is not a big deal to me, so why wait until next year 2016 to buy the bike as with abs the price WILL go up on this bike
 
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