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First I will look at each bike separately and then we will do a little comparison between them.

Honda CBR250R - $4,199



The CBR250R has been a breath of fresh air in a segment that had become stagnant. It has also become a big seller for Honda. Riders have complimented the CBR on how comfortable the soft seat is, how supple the suspension is and how the riding position is nice and upright. The bike is light at just 357 pounds with a full tank. The CBR250R is in its element in urban environments.

A few criticisms though. Some complain of sticky shifting, and the removable gas cap and the bar bridging the fuel tank opening makes fill-ups a hassle. Thankfully the CBR250R has an average fuel economy of 59 mpg, trips to the gas station should be few and far between.

Kawasaki Ninja 300 - $4,799



The Kawasaki Ninja 300 is a sporty little bike. It has angular body work and riders will reach forward to low clip-on bars and hook their heels on high-set, grippy footpegs. The 296cc parallel twin gives smooth, steady power that builds rapidly beyond 7,500 rpm. The Ninja is the only bike of the three to be able to get into triple digit speeds (in mph). The Ninja is suitable for long trips because of its 4.5-gallon tank. The highway isn't kind to the Ninja though with a lack of legroom, a hard seat, a shock that seems to be calibrated for heavy riders, and a buzz in the grips. Some other criticisms include a clutch that is hard to master (likely due to the slip-assist clutch mechanism), and the suspension transfers too much weight onto the undersprung fork. This is the best choice for sport riders.

Suzuki GW250 - $3,999



The Suzuki GW250 is a quasi-naked standard with spacious ergos, a docile engine, and a number of beginner-friendly not found on the competition. The GW's parallel twin is low-tech and light on power. It produces just 21.2 hp at 8,200 rpm. The GW is geared low which means your tachometer will often be hovering near the redline. You can take the GW on the highway and keep up with traffic, but there's almost nothing left in reserve. If you avoid the freeway you can get your mpg to hop from 40 up to 60! The seat is the softest and so is the suspension of the three bikes. The bike is also the heaviest at 405 pounds, 22 more than the Ninaja and 49 more than the Honda.

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Each bike is a good choice. The GW is the safe choice. it is the least expensive, most benign in performance, and gently suspended. Least safe is the ninja. It is more expensive, but is also more entertaining. The CBR250R is best as an all-rounder bike. Perhaps not the best choice for heavier riders though who might not be able to get up to 80 mph on the freeway.
 

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This is likely why they wanted to come out with the CBR300 to have a new entry-level sport bike come much closer to it's kawi rival.

Does anyone know what Ninja 300 and CBR300 sales are like? I have a feeling Ninja will be more
 

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also the reason Kawi just came out with the Ninja 250SL. Its basically the ninjette chassis with a small single 250 for motivation. Power and price are right in line with the CBR250 now, but only for emerging markets...
 

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Yea the CBR300R will fit nicely into this segment. It will come a lot closer to the performance specs of the Ninja 300. The CBR250R is a great beginner bike though and its more fun than the GW250. That thing looks boring :(
 

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... Does anyone know what Ninja 300 and CBR300 sales are like? I have a feeling Ninja will be more
Well seeing how there haven't been any sales of the CBR300R yet, it would be impossible to make that comparison.

By all accounts, Kawasaki has done well in terms of first year sales of the Ninja 300.
 

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First I will look at each bike separately and then we will do a little comparison between them...
also the reason Kawi just came out with the Ninja 250SL. Its basically the ninjette chassis with a small single 250 for motivation. Power and price are right in line with the CBR250 now, but only for emerging markets...
Yea the CBR300R will fit nicely into this segment. It will come a lot closer to the performance specs of the Ninja 300. The CBR250R is a great beginner bike though and its more fun than the GW250. That thing looks boring :(
Have any of you guys actually ridden any of these bikes? (I know Ortega hasn't)

I have to say that I'm just amazed at the nonsense, conjecture, and outright B.S. some of you guys are posting up on these forums, as though you have all sorts of extensive experience with motorcycles... I've got a news flash for you, you're not fooling anyone.
 

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Just saying cbr300 stats are closer to old gen ninja 250s than ninja 300. but there are other things that set it apart.
 

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Just saying cbr300 stats are closer to old gen ninja 250s than ninja 300. but there are other things that set it apart.
I agree with you Blackcbr250.

I've said it before in other posts I've made in other threads on this site, but it seem it bears repeating: The so called "new" CBR300 is in reality an evolution of the CBR250R... the 300R has longer stroke crankshaft than the 250R's engine, resulting in the 300R having a displacement 36cc's and 5 horsepower more than the 250R. The 300R has newly designed bodywork. Beyond that, it is essentially the same bike. The 300R will have the same ride and great handling that owners of the 250R currently enjoy.

The CBR300R is not some huge quantum leap of technology over the CBR250R. It is simply a refinement of the breed, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm sorry if my previous post came across as harsh, or critical. But I have to say that from the time this website was opened for business, it seemed the majority of posts were merely parroting each other, as well as other blogs loaded with mis-infromation about a bike that hasn't even been released yet.
When it comes to motorcycle "reviews", the only ones I find interesting are those that are written by people who have actually ridden and tested the bike's in question. Anything less than a real world test ride/review is pure speculation and conjecture. What really irritates me is when all this speculation and conjecture is made to sound like facts and experience, when clearly it is not.
 

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Have any of you guys actually ridden any of these bikes? (I know Ortega hasn't)

I have to say that I'm just amazed at the nonsense, conjecture, and outright B.S. some of you guys are posting up on these forums, as though you have all sorts of extensive experience with motorcycles... I've got a news flash for you, you're not fooling anyone.
what about this is conjecture?
also the reason Kawi just came out with the Ninja 250SL. Its basically the ninjette chassis with a small single 250 for motivation. Power and price are right in line with the CBR250 now, but only for emerging markets...
no I've not ridden the 250SL considering a) new broke about it last week and b) I dont live in an emerging market...

but sorry, guess we should all ask the experts for permission to have a discussion?
 

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what about this is conjecture?

no I've not ridden the 250SL considering a) new broke about it last week and b) I dont live in an emerging market...

but sorry, guess we should all ask the experts for permission to have a discussion?
Sorry Cropper, my bad. I inadvertently included your quote in my previous post by mistake. My computers cursor (an old Mac) has been doing all sorts of weird things lately.
 

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I have to say that I'm just amazed at the nonsense, conjecture, and outright B.S. some of you guys are posting up on these forums, as though you have all sorts of extensive experience with motorcycles... I've got a news flash for you, you're not fooling anyone.
If you don't like what I am writing than you don't have to read it. I like motorcycles and enjoy writing about them. Is this forum only for people who have ridden every motorcycle they want to talk about. Is it only for experts? Are there a whole bunch of rules about exactly the way you write things you want to write about?

If you don't like it, why don't you add something that you feel is more valuable instead of just criticizing other people's posts. There is a "new thread" button that anyone can use.

Moving on...

I was just thinking about the riding position comparatively on each bike. It seems to me that the GW250 is a much more upright position that makes the bike more casual. The other two bikes have you leaning forward much more. I'm just curious if this is adjustable on the GW250. It would be nice to be able to make it more sporty while still paying the lower price.
 

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IMO GW is too casual for me, I've been on sport bikes ever since i started rider and im so used to them and the riding position. But the GW is a great bike. seen reviews on it and comparisons.
 

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IMO GW is too casual for me, I've been on sport bikes ever since i started rider and im so used to them and the riding position. But the GW is a great bike. seen reviews on it and comparisons.
was looking at the GW250 as well, but I just thought that it looked kinda boring in comparison to the CBR300. CBR300 has some more kick to it, the riding position seems to be more sporty and it just looks more aggressive too. I couldn't help but feel that the GW250 was a scooter pretending to be a motorcycle.
 

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was looking at the GW250 as well, but I just thought that it looked kinda boring in comparison to the CBR300. CBR300 has some more kick to it, the riding position seems to be more sporty and it just looks more aggressive too. I couldn't help but feel that the GW250 was a scooter pretending to be a motorcycle.
Yup.
Plus the Ninja 300 just looks amazing, even the original post on this thread will show that. It's the best looking bike out of the three.
 

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The GW is the cheapest of the bunch

Its probably aimed for people who could care less for the sportiness of the Ninja 300 and CBR.

Yamaha should be joining this game soon with the R25.


Have any of you guys actually ridden any of these bikes? (I know Ortega hasn't)

I have to say that I'm just amazed at the nonsense, conjecture, and outright B.S. some of you guys are posting up on these forums, as though you have all sorts of extensive experience with motorcycles... I've got a news flash for you, you're not fooling anyone.
I think most of us here aren't too experienced in riding. I know I'm not. I barely rode this year. But I'm trying to learn as I go.

I don't know much about lower CC motorcycles. I started on a 650... yes I know.. bad idea. I spent quite some time on the Ninja 300 forums when it came out. But now that Honda has a 300 as well I will consider it since I am partially faithful to Honda.
 

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I'm also a newb, at least I consider myself to be. On a forum like this on an entry-level bike it is natural that you'll come across a lot of inexperienced riders, this is after all considered a starters bike
 

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Yup.
Plus the Ninja 300 just looks amazing, even the original post on this thread will show that. It's the best looking bike out of the three.
I think that I like the styling of the CBR300 more than the NInja 300. I think the Ninja 300 is trying too hard. I prefer something with a more simple design.
 

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I like the R25 R3 design. It would be nice if they brought it to north america

More competition the better.
I hope Yamaha just lets us all know what is going on with the R3 soon. What is it? Is it a 300cc bike like we think it is?

Even once we know that though, its going to be a while before its actually in showrooms.
 
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