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At the same time as Honda proper showed off the CB300F, Americna Honda promptly stepped up and confirmed its ticket to America.

American Honda is also saying expect it to arrive at your local store at the same time as the CBR300R. Price tag, $3,999. So I guess the fairing costs you an extra $400 ;)

 

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I'm sure there will be more than one color offered. But the red looks pretty good anyway.Would anyone consider this bike instead of the CBR300?
 

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I would love to see this in all black, think they should really offer it in both white and black for the next model year or even much sooner than that.
 

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Next model year Honda will likely add an additional color or two... assuming they sell enough of them this year to justify a 2016 production model.
I can't see how this bike wouldn't sell well. It is a great casual bike at a very reasonable price point, and if its competitors are any indication, there is a desire for bikes like this in the public.
 

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... Now if Honda wanted to make REAL money they would bring over the CB223S. Every hip kid would have one, theres already enough on old CB's, not to mention how many people I see puttering about on those little Suzuki TU250s...
I think if American Honda Motor Co. thought that there was a significant market for the CB223S here in the U.S., they would already be importing this bike. The reality is that in the U.S. there is not a big demand for a bike like the CB223S.

That the CBR250R was so successful (and not just in the U.S., but worldwide) was due in large part to the fact that it is a modern bike with EFI, liquid cooling, sport bike styling, great fuel economy, affordable price point, etc. All of this despite it being a single cylinder 250... which let's face it, sales of small displacement motorcycles in the U.S. have been in decline in recent decades. Sub 500cc bikes certainly had their hay day back in the '70's and '80's, but then the market demand here shifted to mainly larger displacement cruiser style motorcycles in the 1990's.

Obviously we are now seeing a huge resurgence in the popularity of the sub 500cc motorcycle class for a variety of reasons, the squeeze on the global economy being one of the most significant driving factors. But, I don't see the vast majority of today's buyers for these small displacement bikes wanting to go backwards 30 years in terms of technology... today's buyers want, rather demand, all the features and benefits offered by modern motorcycle design & technology.

To use an analogy, I don't think you would see a whole lot of people rushing out to trade in their state of the art iphones for the big, cumbersome 'suitcase' mobile phones of the late '80's, or rotary phones of the '60's, even if a phone manufacturer decided to bring back that low tech equipment.
 
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I can't see how this bike wouldn't sell well. It is a great casual bike at a very reasonable price point, and if its competitors are any indication, there is a desire for bikes like this in the public.
I didn't mean to imply that it won't sell, I'm sure it will. That said, the C300F will be competing head to head for sales with its sibling, the CBR300R. And with only a $400 difference in price, a lot of buyers will be facing a tough choice as to which bike to buy.
 

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I think if American Honda Motor Co. thought that there was a significant market for the CB223S here in the U.S., they would already be importing this bike. The reality is that in the U.S. there is not a big demand for a bike like the CB223S.

That the CBR250R was so successful (and not just in the U.S., but worldwide) was due in large part to the fact that it is a modern bike with EFI, liquid cooling, sport bike styling, great fuel economy, affordable price point, etc. All of this despite it being a single cylinder 250... which let's face it, sales of small displacement motorcycles in the U.S. have been in decline in recent decades. Sub 500cc bikes certainly had their hay day back in the '70's and '80's, but then the market demand here shifted to mainly larger displacement cruiser style motorcycles in the 1990's.

Obviously we are now seeing a huge resurgence in the popularity of the sub 500cc motorcycle class for a variety of reasons, the squeeze on the global economy being one of the most significant driving factors. But, I don't see the vast majority of today's buyers for these small displacement bikes wanting to go backwards 30 years in terms of technology... today's buyers want, rather demand, all the features and benefits offered by modern motorcycle design & technology.

To use an analogy, I don't think you would see a whole lot of people rushing out to trade in their state of the art iphones for the big, cumbersome 'suitcase' mobile phones of the late '80's, or rotary phones of the '60's, even if a phone manufacturer decided to bring back that low tech equipment.
I work in a major city, and while you raise many great points what I see on the street simply doesn't match. I'm seeing a disproportionate amount of 70's and early 80's era bikes. In front of my office right now there are only 2 modern bikes (one Ducati one Harley), there are 3 CB's of varying vintage, an FJ600 and an 80 something drop seat GS.

Granted my small window is by no means the great indicator, My point being there is a Huge resurgence of that retro styled stuff. Heck even Suzuki is seeing a fair degree of success with their TU250...
 

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I think it's pretty typical in almost any major urban area to see a lot of 'standard' street bikes of '70's and '80's vintage, especially when it comes to Honda CB's... the sheer numbers of those motorcycles sold back in the day was astounding. In the late '70's and early '80's, I worked at a Honda/Yamaha dealership in Minneapolis, which was one of the largest volume Honda dealers in the U.S. at the time... to say that the motorcycle industry was in it's hay day back then is almost an understatement. I remember there were so many days when the guy's who did nothing but new bike set-ups and PDI's couldn't keep up with the volume of deals that the sales department was writing. That old saying of 'it's feast or famine'... it was a feast for the entire motorcycle industry in those days. Today, the industry is a fraction of what it was in terms of volume.

Anyway, I digress... It stands to reason that there would be a lot of those older bikes still around, and still being ridden today on a almost daily basis. I'm just guessing here, but I'd think that for every old, vintage late '70's Honda CB that occasionally comes up for sale on the used market, there are a whole lot of guy's who bought them new back in the day and have just hung on to them all these years. And whether you see a lot of these bikes out on the streets and roads, or hardly ever see one, one thing is for certain... for the most part, they just are not making them any more. Honda brought back an updated and modernized 'retro' CB1100 a couple years back, but that bike saw lackluster sales.

Some of the new 'Retro" bikes are cool, but at the end of the day, they are just not the same as an authentic vintage motorcycle... a true vintage motorcycle carries a whole different level of 'cool'. It's like trying to make a comparison between one of today's A list actors and Steve McQueen, who by most accounts defined 'cool'... there's not an actor working today who exudes the same level of 'cool' that McQueen did.
 

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Looks like Honda Canada will also offer a CB300F in white with ABS for 2015. There are photos on the web over the last week or so. ABS will be 'standard' on the white CB300F. I take that to mean that the white model will be available 'ABS equipped' only ? I'm not exactly sure whether or not they'll charge a ($500?) premium over a non-ABS CB300F. I was thinking of buying a white CBR300R ABS this winter...until the CB300F was announced. Lack of ABS for CB300F had me a bit vexed though. I'll be buying the bike in Guatemala and at the moment there is no real information as to exactly which models Honda will ship to Guatemala. I wish that cat from Thailand with the CBR300R Repsol would post a video !!
 

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It doesn't look like Honda Canada will offer a non-ABS version of the CB300F for the 2015 model year: Honda Motorcycle
 

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I will be one that pays extra for the 300R. Way too many angular lines on the F for me to live with everyday.

The 223 doesn't look like a 4000 U.S. dollar bike IMO which is what they're being sold for in Japan according to honda.co.jp I bet it would sell well here in the US. People love that retro nonsense with modern reliability. Probably why I have an off-white Honda Metropolitan with brown saddle and grips! They should sell a lot of what they don't here in the states though, or at least have configurations that can be sold here if ordered. Honda | ƒoƒCƒNƒ‰ƒCƒ“ƒAƒbƒv

 
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