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Hi All,

If you don't mind, tell us what your OTD was?

I just came from a dealer in SM and the estimate I got was around $5800 for the cb300f when it comes in !!

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Wow... how did they go from an MSRP of $3999 for the CB300F, to $5800 out the door?
Do you know what the break down of all the various fees and taxes are in that quote?

FWIW, OTD (Out The Door) numbers are thrown around on internet forums all the time, but at the end of the day these numbers are pretty much meaningless... you simply cannot compare prices which include sales tax and registration fees, as these costs vary so much from state to state.

IMO, these are the only numbers that can be compared:

Base Purchase Price .. $___________

Set Up Fee .................. $___________

Freight ....................... $___________

Documentation Fees ..... $___________

(Pre Tax & Reg.) Sub Total .......................... $___________



Bottom line, if OTD means including sales tax & registration, it's really not a meaningful number for the sake of making comparisons.
 

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Hi MotoMike,

The dealer I went to was in Santa Monica/Venice area so its always pricey there. I cracked up at the total he gave me. They only had 1 cbr300 there - black w/ yellow stripe. Really looked nice. Freight fee was about $800 and set up $300. I went blind after that. I'm told them I'll pay cash and am in no hurry to buy.

LaCyclesports near LAX has a 13 cbr250 repsol for $4800 OTD. Really tempting but I really want the naked bike.
 

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I've heard that new bikes in California are pricy, but being in the LA area you're without a doubt in the biggest bike market in the U.S... lots of Honda dealers to pick from in the Thirty Mile Zone. ;)

You may have to do some leg work, but I'm sure you'll eventually find a dealer who wants to make a fair deal on a CB300F with you. As a cash buyer you have to be willing to walk out the door if a dealer doesn't want to budge on the add on stuff (Freight, Set-Up, Doc fees)... eventually you'll find a dealer who wants to do business.

I'd think that about $4500, plus TT&L would be a fair deal for a new CB300F... which gives the dealer $500 over MSRP to cover their Freight, Set-up, and Doc fee.

When I bought my CBR250R 2 1/2 years ago, I paid $4099 (MSRP), plus $175 Doc Fee... no added Freight or Set-up (I bought it out of state so I had to do my own TT&L in my state). But I had to drive 3 hours to get that price. The dealers close to where I live wanted crazy amounts of money over and above MSRP for the same bike. I figure that I easily saved $800 to $1000 by making the 3 hour drive.
 

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3 hr drive ?! Wow ! Hopefully I wont have to go that far here. I'm actually willing to pay about $5200 total but since I waited this long, I could wait a bit longer.

I have cousins that work in Honda Corp. I might ask them if they could help me get a deal.

But seriously, if a ridiculously deal comes for cbr250, I'll do it. :)
 

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I tired to get another hundred off but the dealer wouldn't budge on the 2015 CBR300 red/white/blue non-abs that was still in the crate. I made the deal over the phone and email but I have to drive 80 miles to get the bike The dealer next to my house has a matte black cbr with abs but I didn't want the matte black or abs.

$4249 msrp
$310 freight
$199 prep
$286 tax (6%)
$99 doc fee
$138 tags and reg
$5281 total
 

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That's seems to be a fair deal Jkilla71... that they knocked $150 off of the $4399 MSRP is nice, and the Freight, Set-Up & Doc charges are not over the top.

It's interesting how some states really hit you hard for tax, title, & license.
I live in New Mexico, where the statewide Motor Vehicle Excise tax is a flat 3% of the base purchase price, and motorcycle registration & tag is only $18.50 per year. I've heard that some states charge as much as 10% sales tax for motor vehicles... ouch!!!
 

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In Oregon there is no sales tax. I look forward to that when I do get me new bike.
No sales tax on anything, or is that just on motor vehicles?... how does the state of Oregon generate its revenue?

What do they charge for a motorcycle registration & tag per year?
 

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No sales tax on anything, or is that just on motor vehicles?... how does the state of Oregon generate its revenue?

What do they charge for a motorcycle registration & tag per year?
They only have sales tax at restaurants and hotels. It was the same way when I lived in NH for a bit. I am not sure but I also think NJ is tax free. Also I am pretty sure there is not even income tax in Florida.
 

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I'm looking at getting a CBR300RA and I'm with manilalite on this one.

I would easily pay in the low 5K's but if I'm going to dish out $6K - sorry, my mind starts thinking Ninja. That or I'll wait out the new model buying frenzy period and get one later. A ridiculous deal on a 250 is always viable but I'm in no rush.
 

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LACYCLESPORTS finally have the cb300f in the showroom. i went in and sat on it. I love it. They had a cbr250r repsol for about $4800 OTD. Tempting but I think I'll hold out for the Cb300f. Like I said I could wait and wait. If they could bring the OTD to about $5100, I'm in. Cash :)
 

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LACYCLESPORTS finally have the cb300f in the showroom. i went in and sat on it. I love it. They had a cbr250r repsol for about $4800 OTD. Tempting but I think I'll hold out for the Cb300f. Like I said I could wait and wait. If they could bring the OTD to about $5100, I'm in. Cash :)
manilalite - Did you get a quote from LACycleSports? I've also in the LA area and was looking at LACycleSports since I've heard they're willing to negotiate on the dealer fees.

$5100 OTD would be just under $700 in dealer fees, right? (using $4000 MSRP and $408 CA registration fees & tax) The two dealers I've reached out to are asking $5400-5700 OTD. I would have bought this past weekend if I could have found a cb300f for $5000 OTD (cash), but it seems like I'll have to do a more shopping around, negotiating, and possibly driving further or just waiting for more dealers to have these in stock.
 

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My 300r was around 6k in AZ. after destination charge ,doc fees,tax,title,license ,set up and the fisting I got. Didn't even have the courtesy to buy me dinner. Oh well......love my Honda.....
 

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manilalite - Did you get a quote from LACycleSports? I've also in the LA area and was looking at LACycleSports since I've heard they're willing to negotiate on the dealer fees.

$5100 OTD would be just under $700 in dealer fees, right? (using $4000 MSRP and $408 CA registration fees & tax) The two dealers I've reached out to are asking $5400-5700 OTD. I would have bought this past weekend if I could have found a cb300f for $5000 OTD (cash), but it seems like I'll have to do a more shopping around, negotiating, and possibly driving further or just waiting for more dealers to have these in stock.
jennymrose - I just asked for a ballpark figure and it was around $5500. He gave an otd on a 2013 cbr250 repsol for $4800. That was tempting but I really want a naked bike. I'm looking for the same $5000 otd cash but I could wait. I'm just not good in negotiating or even asking but i do have the cash to buy anytime. Good luck on your search.
 

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Paid $4900 OTD for my CBR300R (non ABS). The dealer gave a discount on the freight and other charges to make it to that price. I think it is a good price, as the CBR250s are going for around that which includes the honda $500 off incentive.
 

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I mentioned on another thread I paid $4500 out the door. That included 2 oil filters and they delivered the bike 50 miles too.


Interesting interaction. So I went to the dealer Alamo Cycle Plex in San Antonio, Texas...huge dealership and said I was interested in the one and only CB300F they had on the showroom floor, and the salesman (young kid, maybe age 23 who told me he made money by no. of units sold, not commission based on selling price cause I asked) went to talk to the higher powers at the back of the room in an enclosed glass room. 5 min. later he comes back with a 2nd guy who had a paper with all the figures worked out. Total was $5379 or something like that. I told them no way, $4200 was a fair price, so they both went back to the glass room. By this time the young salesman is just tagging along but not talking. They come back with something like $4799. I told them no, but I would go $4500. Another 5 min. of talking among the sales people in the glass room. So the negotiator comes back with his FINAL price of $4575. I said, no thanks, $4500 OTD really was my final offer and I started to walk away. Didn't quite make it to the door when a 3rd guy...someone I hadn't even seen before either on the floor or back in the glass room stopped me and said something like, "$4500 today?" and I said sure.


It is hard to get a really good deal on a bike when there are only a few around. In this case it was the only one around or I could have done better...probably the $4200 I started with. Here is the breakdown of how they got to $4500: You realize the OTD price is the only important thing, cause they can move all the other numbers around except for taxes, and registration, but those are a function of the selling price which is very easy to move up or down: price $3311, Freight $399, dlr. prep $299, tax $250, license title $92, state inspection $15, documentation fee $125, vehicle inventory tax $9.


The question comes up why would they not just waive some of those fees? The answer is that the dealer pays income taxes and state sales taxes based on the selling price of the bike, so they want that figure to be the lower number. If they would just drop documentation fee and dealer prep charges and charge more for the bike and still make it come to $4500, they would be shooting themselves in the foot because they would have to pay more taxes to Uncle Sam and more Texas sales tax too.
 
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