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Interesting stuff Wings. Are you sure there's no speculation involved here??The Africa twin has already been released here in Thailand and the engine from that will be in the CBR 250 rr which will replace the 300 The CBR 300 is just a short lived model, that helped sell off the rest of the unsold 250's The market got so tuff here between the ninja 250 and the yamaha r6 the honda lost out on the sales hands down. Plus the 250 had a top end engine problem that is why there was never a 300 just a 286cc. You can buy here in Thailand the full fairing kit for a 300 to put straight on your 250. and the engine two. A friend of mine here in Thai he has 26 honda shops when i bought my 250 i got it for $1000 cheaper because they had stop selling. They are not making as many 300's here now because of the new bikes that are coming out. There is going to be 3 new bikes for 2016
You say that "the Africa Twin has already been released in Thailand"... so are you saying that you could walk into one of your buddy's 26 dealerships and buy one, and ride it home tomorrow?The Africa twin has already been released here in Thailand...
Yeah, my B.S. meter is pegged on this one. So you're saying that Honda will be putting a 1000cc parallel twin into a small sport bike chassis, and then call it a CBR250RR?... and the engine from that will be in the CBR 250 rr which will replace the 300.
Please tell us more about this 'top end problem' on the CBR250R.Plus the 250 had a top end engine problem that is why there was never a 300 just a 286cc.
You're partially right... by changing the stroke, Honda was able to increase the displacement of the existing MC41 250cc engine without having a lot of new tooling costs. To go much larger than 286cc, they would have had to increase the size of the cylinder bore, which would have meant casting all new cylinders, pistons, cylinder heads, etc. Which in turn would have meant increasing the retail price of the 300R more than they did.I wonder if the reason with "only" 286 cc instead of 300 has to do with the physical size of the existing (250) engine limiting the amount of crank stroke Honda had to work with. I really do not see a "top end" engine problem has to do with engine stroke....however I am probably incorrect.....thoughts?
You didn't say anything about Japan, nor did I say that you did. Re-read my post... What I asked you was this: "... why would Thailand have this Japan built bike before it's available in the US, Europe, Australia, etc.?... these are the prime markets for the Africa Twin, not Thailand."Wow, now who mentioned Japan. I don't think i did.
Honestly, I have no idea what "... a small country 1000cc that does not work." even means. Something is lost in translation in much of what you post on these forums. Are you using Google to translate from Thai, or is it just that English is a second language for you. I'm not criticizing you on your use of English, it's just that much of what you write is confusing or unclear as to what you're really trying to say.... Think about it, a small country 1000cc that does not work. lol...
Again, not sure what you're talking about. What it sounds like is another small displacement bike for the Asian markets, and highly unlikely that it's something Honda would bring to western markets. Aside from some step though scooter models, the only sub 200cc Honda motorcycles we see in the Western markets are the small off road bikes like the CRF50R through the CRF150R, which are made for kid's just starting out. Sub 200cc street legal motorcycles are not even on the radar here.See what you find about honda new 190cc motorcycle.
You didn't say Africa 250 in your first post, you specifically said Africa Twin (which has a 1000cc twin cylinder motor, and is also known as the CRF1000F... it's been all over the news on the online motorcycle sites for some time now).In my first post, there was nothing said about 1000cc. I said the engine that is in the 250rr. Africa 250. is a road trail bike.